Crazycrab

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@StaceyPowers
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I feel like I've got little to say now as Ellie and Dorian are the two that come to mind for me as well.
 
Dorian is very noble, courageous and, whilst he's obviously been tormented and exiled as a result of sexuality, he still retains a kind of pride and focus and that's makes him a very admirable and selfless hero. There's other LGBTQ characters in the game obviously, but he stands out for me because as he undeniably he wears his sexuality and how it affects his life on his sleeve, but you ultimately come to admire him not because he's deals with his sexuality with that aforementioned pride and courage, but because he deals with everything with that pride and courage. Gay or not, a good buy, but being gay may have shaped him into an even better guy in the end and that's a very positive message.
 
Ellie is quite different. She's more down to earth and relatable, but no less admirable and that was achieved through imperfection. She's very rude, stubborn and foul-mouthed. Despite that, she's also the kind of character that somebody in the closet can observe and look up to. As I think @Crazycrab pointed out in the other thread, the main story on TLOU didn't focus on nor even define Ellie's sexuality at all and instead focused on the father daughter like bond forming between her and Joel and didn't go onto her sexuality until the Left Behind DLC and that's good because it let us bond with Ellie in a similar way Joel did. This made us care about her to the point that we didn't care about her sexuality much at all. We were surprised perhaps, but not bothered and willing to support her, and that's they way it should be when somebody comes to somebody close to you coming out. That's a very different, but equally positive message as Dorian.

On a thread about the TLOU HBO show, @Crazycrab and I were talking about Ellie’s orientation (because another member brought it up). We both think that Ellie is a great LGBTQA+ portrayal because the matter is treated as entirely irrelevant in the game. There are so many actually important things for the characters to be hung up about (like infected and assholes everywhere) to bother getting hung up over something as irrelevant as Ellie’s orientation. Which is as it should be in an ideal world.
Of course, we don’t live in an ideal world where people expend their anger and intolerance on things that are actually a threat to their lives, so I think stories that reflect that also are important.
So, a contrasting LGBTQA+ portrayal which I also like is Dorian in Dragon Age: Inquisition.  DA always seems to feature a diverse set of characters, which I really appreciate. Dorian’s orientation caused him issues back in Tevinter, and those are front and central in his mind. Being as that is a familiar experience for a lot of LGBTQA+ people, exploring it seemed worthy to me. Beyond that, Dorian is just awesome all around. A lot of characters in DA are LGBTQA+. Some, like Dorian, have struggled because of it. Others don’t even bring it up. They’re just available or they’re not, depending on whether your character is male or female.
What LGBTQA+ portrayals have you liked most in games, and why?  
 

The XBox has a slightly faster clock on the CPU and more Compute Units on the GPU, PS5 has a faster clock on the GPU and a faster SSD.  It's all swings and roundabouts, the difference between the two in terms of performance will be minimal if it's even noticeable at all.

So the irrelevance makes it, well relevant.  That's actually a great point. Ellie being gay doesn't make any difference and that's the way it should be.
 
I would say it would be great to have to these barriers break without the world ending but let's face it!   In just the first few months of this year, the US tried to start World War 3, half of Australia has been on fire and now there is a global pandemic where people are going bonkers over bog roll.
 
I think it's time all people, regardless of nationality, political standpoint, religions beliefs, sexual orientation, gender identity or race stand together and declare in one voice!......(LINK)

So the irrelevance makes it, well relevant.  That's actually a great point. Ellie being gay doesn't make any difference and that's the way it should be.
 
I would say it would be great to have to these barriers break without the world ending but let's face it!   In just the first few months of this year, the US tried to start World War 3, half of Australia has been on fire and now there is a global pandemic where people are going bonkers over bog roll.
 
I think it's time all people, regardless of nationality, political standpoint, religions beliefs, sexual orientation, gender identity or race stand together and declare in one voice!......(LINK)

I've just seen Mark Cerny's breakdown of the PS5 and although it's how it looks on paper, it's not completely true and there is a bit more to it, the PS5's GPU has less Compute Unit's so It can run at higher clock speeds, the TFLOPS are lower but the actual game performance depends on whether the game want's to process faster or want a larger chunk of data each time it cycles.
 
I agree that the CPU in the XBox has the legs and I do like the fact that developers have to choose between SMT threading and higher clock speeds, I'd really like to know if they can do with a selection of cores or if they have to disable SMT for all 8.
 
When it comes to storage and expanding storage, I have some issues with both of them.  First of all wether, it is 1TB of 825GB is arbitrary to me since neither one is going to be large enough anyway.  I get why they aren’t bigger of course, high-speed SSD’s are very expensive the architecture in both systems has been designed specifically to work with them.  A regular HDD or even a lower speed SSD simply would not cut it, especially for XBox Series X or PS5 games. So in terms of balancing cost and storage, the ~1TB is a compromise that I am prepared to accept.
 
The difference here is in expansion options and again, I have issues with both.  The PS5 will allow you to use M.2 SSD’s but you can’t just use ANY M.2 SSD.  It has to be a PCI 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD that runs at 5.5GHz or better that fits in the SSD tray in the console.  Mark Cerny mentioned that there will be a certification process but not in time for the launch.  This is potentially a big problem because some people will want to expand the storage right away and I think ALLOT of users are going to end up buying the wrong thing.
 
With that in mind, XBox would seem to have a better solution with the proprietary storage cards, but these have problems too.  First of all they are almost certainly going to be VERY expensive.  I actully think they will be more expensive than the equivalent M.2 SSD you could get for the PS5 and you will need to buy another 2 or 3 over the course of the generation.  Also proprietary storage like this can be a real headache since it gives you less choice, just any anyone who has ever owned a VITA about the Memory Sticks!
 
Overall, I actully prefer the PS5 architexure because of the only differnce which I think is significant but a lot of people might not take much notice of:
 
XBox Series X
 

 
PS5
 

 
The PS5 will demand specifically a PCI 4.0 NVMe SSD for a reason!  The XBox might have slightly more powerful components, but the silicone fabric linking them all together has only around half the bandwidth.  This means that there is a significantly larger chance of bottlenecking between the CPU/GPU and the SSD storage, which means it's going to have to use more RAM to keep the data it needs closer to home and overall just be less efficient.  Whether this makes any difference further down the line only time will tell but Sony has definitely designed the more robust architecture here.

So the irrelevance makes it, well relevant.  That's actually a great point. Ellie being gay doesn't make any difference and that's the way it should be.
 
I would say it would be great to have to these barriers break without the world ending but let's face it!   In just the first few months of this year, the US tried to start World War 3, half of Australia has been on fire and now there is a global pandemic where people are going bonkers over bog roll.
 
I think it's time all people, regardless of nationality, political standpoint, religions beliefs, sexual orientation, gender identity or race stand together and declare in one voice!......(LINK)

Actually, to me, there's arguably no better way to make such a point. Because we do have real problems as a species to deal with, and it's time that those stigmas broke down IRL. Seeing how absolutely irrelevant Ellie's sexuality is in TLOU actually is a great demonstration of how irrelevant that stuff ultimately should be IRL after everyone drops their stupid prejudices.
Anyway, very nice post :)

I figured he was keeping her gay for the simple consistently.  I don't think they really need to use the show to "spread LGBT awareness" and to be honest, The Last of Us is not really a great story to do that with.  It's a society where along with these types of social and political stigma that come with it with regards to sexuality, race and so on has effectively broken down.  Most people in this would happily kill you for a fresh pair of shoes, there are bigger, or at least more direct problems! That's why the game doesn't put hardly any focus on in it, hell the fact that Ellie is gay wasn't even addressed at all until the Left Behind DLC came out.
 
Like I said earlier The Last of Us is a story about the relationship between Joel and Ellie and how it evolves as they journey together. We see Joel learn to love and care again, something he has been struggling to do since the loss of his daughter.  Likewise we see Ellie, a young girl who is fiercely independent and stubborn learn to trust and open up to him. That's what the Last of Us is about, it doesn't need a ton of focus on Ellie's sexuality, at least not in this story.
 
Now the sequel (judging from the trailers anyway) does seem to be putting a bit more focus on it but we don't know exactly how that's going play out yet.
 
 
hope this helps:
https://www.netflix.com/CancelPlan
 
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to some music:
 

So the spec's have been revealed and, whilst this looks promising in alot of ways, to be honest one or two things are giving me cause for concern.

 
The positives. I like the CPU. The weak CPU's on the PS4 and XBox One were problematic right from the start so glad to see a major upgrade there. I also like that it has the Blu-ray drive, we've not gone fully digital, and that's good. What I'm not sure about is storage. Good speed on that custom SSD, but that's a very strange size and I feel that's too small. The drive also can't be removed and swapped out like previous Playstation consoles. Instead you get expandable storage through an empty NVMe slot, and that's gonna make upgrading the storage more expensive that it really needed to be. Also, compared to the Series X;
 

 
The PS5 has a weaker GPU, the same CPU, less storage as standard and more flexibility when it comes to storage upgrades.
 
Overall Sony, I'm not that impressed. Still have high hopes for the console as the line if launch games I think will be stronger, but especially with the retro compatibility confirmed I actually believe the Series X looks like the superior console at the moment.

As I would expect, as your level of technical adept surpasses mine by quite a margin, a great breakdown about what all this means. Thank you. I think I get what you're saying, the X-Box might be the faster runner, but it's wearing a greasy pair of shoes and just case use what it has as effectively, at least on paper anyway.

I've just seen Mark Cerny's breakdown of the PS5 and although it's how it looks on paper, it's not completely true and there is a bit more to it, the PS5's GPU has less Compute Unit's so It can run at higher clock speeds, the TFLOPS are lower but the actual game performance depends on whether the game want's to process faster or want a larger chunk of data each time it cycles.
 
I agree that the CPU in the XBox has the legs and I do like the fact that developers have to choose between SMT threading and higher clock speeds, I'd really like to know if they can do with a selection of cores or if they have to disable SMT for all 8.
 
When it comes to storage and expanding storage, I have some issues with both of them.  First of all wether, it is 1TB of 825GB is arbitrary to me since neither one is going to be large enough anyway.  I get why they aren’t bigger of course, high-speed SSD’s are very expensive the architecture in both systems has been designed specifically to work with them.  A regular HDD or even a lower speed SSD simply would not cut it, especially for XBox Series X or PS5 games. So in terms of balancing cost and storage, the ~1TB is a compromise that I am prepared to accept.
 
The difference here is in expansion options and again, I have issues with both.  The PS5 will allow you to use M.2 SSD’s but you can’t just use ANY M.2 SSD.  It has to be a PCI 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD that runs at 5.5GHz or better that fits in the SSD tray in the console.  Mark Cerny mentioned that there will be a certification process but not in time for the launch.  This is potentially a big problem because some people will want to expand the storage right away and I think ALLOT of users are going to end up buying the wrong thing.
 
With that in mind, XBox would seem to have a better solution with the proprietary storage cards, but these have problems too.  First of all they are almost certainly going to be VERY expensive.  I actully think they will be more expensive than the equivalent M.2 SSD you could get for the PS5 and you will need to buy another 2 or 3 over the course of the generation.  Also proprietary storage like this can be a real headache since it gives you less choice, just any anyone who has ever owned a VITA about the Memory Sticks!
 
Overall, I actully prefer the PS5 architexure because of the only differnce which I think is significant but a lot of people might not take much notice of:
 
XBox Series X
 

 
PS5
 

 
The PS5 will demand specifically a PCI 4.0 NVMe SSD for a reason!  The XBox might have slightly more powerful components, but the silicone fabric linking them all together has only around half the bandwidth.  This means that there is a significantly larger chance of bottlenecking between the CPU/GPU and the SSD storage, which means it's going to have to use more RAM to keep the data it needs closer to home and overall just be less efficient.  Whether this makes any difference further down the line only time will tell but Sony has definitely designed the more robust architecture here.

No....no there arent. Anyone who blames video games as a reason for violence is just looking for a scapegoat. It was movies in the 2000s and it was rap/metal in the 90s. Nobody wants to take actual responsibility for anything nowadays.

Yesterday Austin Evans (who I hadn't actully heard of untill now) posted an video where he got hands on with and did an analysis of the XBox Series X.  I give Microsoft some credit they really did alow this guy to "bare it all" with the release still months away.
 
 
It's a lot of information that you should see for yourselves but here is some of the points I found interesting:
 
As we already knew the CPU is an 8 Core AMD ZEN 2 but what I don't think I knew before is that developers have an option to either enable the SMT treading for more threading for more threads or they can disable and get faster clock speeds which should help with optimization. The CPU is an AMD RDNA 2.0 with around 12 TFLOP's of performance, about what we expected. There is a 1TB custom SSD onboard and also as it turns out that port in the back is for is a proprietary external SSD that slot's in a bit like a PlayStation 2 memory card for storage expansion, my spider-sense tells me they will be quite expensive though. The new controllers aren’t much different, a few small ergonomic changes here and there but they are fully back-compatible with the XBox One Controllers (which are also forward compatible) and you can even use the same rechargeable battery packs so that's a plus. Like many, I was a little concerned about the shape but he shows in the video how it all fits together and cools and it actually makes sense.  
There are some other things about Ray-Tracing and HDR but it’s better explained visually.  It's also interesting to note that today Sony announced that they will be doing a "Deep Dive" presentation into the system architecture of the PS5 so it will be interesting to see how the two stack up when put against each other.
 
So what are your thoughts on Next Gen?

I figured he was keeping her gay for the simple consistently.  I don't think they really need to use the show to "spread LGBT awareness" and to be honest, The Last of Us is not really a great story to do that with.  It's a society where along with these types of social and political stigma that come with it with regards to sexuality, race and so on has effectively broken down.  Most people in this would happily kill you for a fresh pair of shoes, there are bigger, or at least more direct problems! That's why the game doesn't put hardly any focus on in it, hell the fact that Ellie is gay wasn't even addressed at all until the Left Behind DLC came out.
 
Like I said earlier The Last of Us is a story about the relationship between Joel and Ellie and how it evolves as they journey together. We see Joel learn to love and care again, something he has been struggling to do since the loss of his daughter.  Likewise we see Ellie, a young girl who is fiercely independent and stubborn learn to trust and open up to him. That's what the Last of Us is about, it doesn't need a ton of focus on Ellie's sexuality, at least not in this story.
 
Now the sequel (judging from the trailers anyway) does seem to be putting a bit more focus on it but we don't know exactly how that's going play out yet.
 
 
hope this helps:
https://www.netflix.com/CancelPlan
 
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to some music:
 

What is your problem? Since I doubt that someone has strapped you to a chair and forced to watch the LGBT friendly content on Netflix "A Clockwork Orange" style, what is the point of this unceasing complaining about it? Netflix's content has nothing to do with the topic at hand anyway and none of us agree with nor give a shit about your homophobic ranting. You've clearly never played the game and most likely never will, something that's probably true of the sequel as well, so you've got noting of value to bring to this topic in the first place. So please, spare us your poison and direct your attention to other threads where you might have something to offer.

But Ellie is gay 😆 Have you played the Last of Us game ?

I actually support the idea only because Konami is not interested in making anything else other than mobile games, If we want to see another Silent hill , MGS or Castlevenia game we need for Konami to sell these franchises. Unless our prayers are heard and Konami starts making good AAA games again.

So you're a full on homophobe then. I don't understand people like you. I don't see how the fact two people who love, respect and trust each other hurts you just because they're the same gender. But whatever, you be the horrid, prejudiced, disgusting you that you want to be, but no opinion you have on the subject will be taken seriously by me.
 
I'll give you one piece of advice though, if you hate gay people and that "SJW crap" that much, stay away from TLOU and especially it's Left Behind DLC and you'll almost certainly want to avoid THOU part 2 as well. All games that feature female leads and/or gay characters and/or female characters that are not just obedient dish washers or made purely for the spank bank. So also avoid the Mass Effect series, the Dragon Age series, the Life is Strange games, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Metal Gear Solid Games Control, Metrioid, Tomb Raider, pick the "right" COD's and Assassin Creed games, Skyrim, Cyberpunk 2077, The Witcher games, Final Fantasy, Tales of Berseria, Detriot: Become Human, Until Dawn, Beyond: Two Souls... actually just Play Duke Nukem Forever quite literally forever because nobody is making games for you any more.
 
 

I own this game on a PS4 slim and it look beautiful, I'm not a PC gamer but what I like about PC is that they can max out the graphics on almost any game, I would love to see how this game runs on a high spec PC, and also I cant wait to see the crazy mods xD

I noticed that @DylanC posted a topic "Games you love that no-one else likes" (LINK).  But as far as I can tell, there was no thread for the opposite.  Since every Ying needs a Yang I decided to start it myself.
 
So here it is, a thread to bash the games that everyone seems to love that you can't stand.  That particular game gets a bunch of praise from your fellow gamers and/or a ton of awards from critics and you can't figure out why.  The games or genres that your friends are all playing that you can't get into. Maybe even an upcoming release that has everyone hyped, but your not interested and your sick of hearing about it!
 
I'll start with a selection of mine:
 
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor

 
As a fan of open-world action games like Assassins Creed and as well as Lord of the Rings, this is a game that should have been right up my ally and seemed to please everyone else but I was VERY disappointed.  What I expected from the trailers was a game where you where a lone Gonorian Ranger that would have to use stealth and strategy to combat the hordes of Orcs in Mordor. The game in truth is more like... actually no... EXACTLY like this!
 
 
You were so ridiculously overpowered and the stealth detection was so hilariously broken that the only aspect that is any legitimate threat to you is you own lapsing concentration!  You can sprint straight across open fields and through crowds still get stealth kills, be surrounded by and slaying dozens of enemies that will barley score any hits, they will lose track of you after breaking the line of sight for only a few of seconds and even if you do manage to die it doesn’t even matter since you are resurrected with the enemy Orcs raising level which you'll likely be welcoming.  Then there's the story and characters which are even worse, their so bland and that an hour after playing I couldn’t even remember anything that happened except for the truly atrocious ending.  How the fuck did this get an 8.0 user score on metacrtic?
 
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

 
There is a lot of positive things to say about this game from it's visual and sound design, combat, brilliant AI, the fun puzzles and very well designed levels.  But, it is also one of the most frustrating gaming experiences I have ever had in my entire life. For everything that is great, there is something else needlessly tedious or hair-pullingly annoying.  Not to mention I blew about £300 on it, a Switch and accessories in order to play it!  The most consistent complaint I hear is the breakable weapons and that is irritating but for me, the biggest was the sheer size and design of the map. It makes the simple process of going from A to B a total pain in the ass. Mounts are useless since there is a deep chasm, sheer cliff or a group of enemies a 10-second gallop in every direction forcing you to abandon it and when you do they don't back to their stables!  I spent about 12 hours playing about 90% of which was on shrines and towers because the game didn't push me to do anything expect unlock more fast travel points and expand my stamina and health gauges. I'm sure with a lot of time there is an amazing game here but I didn't have the patience to find it.
 
Burnout Paradise

 
I was once a Burnout mega-fan and consider Burnout 3: Takedown one of the best racing games of all time if not THE best.  So I was deeply saddened that the fifth (and as of now, last) main installment of the Burnout franchise replaced classic arcade racing with one very stupid idea which inexplicably stuck...  MAKE IT OPEN WORLD! This was a move that I'm convinced to this day was done for no other reason than EA's sheer unfettered greed, forcing players to buy their own copy of the game in order to play together.  Split-screen and Crash party... GONE!  Instead, you drive across what's effectively an open-world menu completely wasting your time whenever you need to change your vehicle or start an event.  Most consider Paradise a classic and will never be able to understand why.
 
Well that's my contribution to pissing everyone off, how about you!

I was actully thinking more 2D animation, in the same style of Netflix's Castlevainia or Attack on Titan or somthing.

I agree 100% with your call on Zelda. The developers went way too far overboard with this one. I thought Twilight Princess was bad, but this one is a shit storm.
 
As for my own entry on this list, the biggest choice I can think of off the top of my head, would be the GTA franchise. I just don't get it. I have tried playing it several times, and different entries. From what I gather Vice City is considered one of the best, if not the best. But it is just bullshit. It offers nothing for entertainment. There is no actual plot or mission in the games that I could see. Tasks are occasional, but other than that, you have nothing in the game to accomplish to move forward, because there IS NO FORWARD. There is nothing but an attractive title for kids rebelling against their parents. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Another is FF14, but that's due to my hatred of online gaming.

Thanks for starting this thread. It’s a great idea! Hmm. A game that everyone seems to love that I don’t like? Yes, it has to be 2019’s Control.
What a laborious game. Can’t believe how much praise it got from gaming press. It’s so damn boring to play, runs poorly, has an awfully written story that makes very little sense, has no meaningful atmosphere/tension, tedious exploration etc. 
I didn’t like it. And here’s my review: https://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/control-review/