StaceyPowers Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 If players dislike something about a video game story, there is sometimes extreme pressure on devs to change it. You don’t see this that often with books, movies, etc. Personally, I think this is rather ridiculous—creators make the products they want, market demand determines if it sells, end of story. Debates about story content are an issue of subjective values, not quality. Family sedan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killamch89 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Creators should be free to create what they originally intended to instead of being pressured into pleasing players whose opinion might change on a dime even if they get what they originally asked for. Family sedan and StaceyPowers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatman Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Yeah I believe that to some extent the video games players opinions should be heard but it shouldn't be the 100% yardstick of what the video games developers should do. Family sedan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family sedan Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I forget what South Park character said it, but I think it went, 'If they made changes to the Colosseum every year, soon it would just be another big, douchy stadium.' It was the Raiders of the Lost Ark episode. The same applies to not changing games that are masterpieces. StaceyPowers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 It's the feedback loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatman Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 9 hours ago, killamch89 said: Creators should be free to create what they originally intended to instead of being pressured into pleasing players whose opinion might change on a dime even if they get what they originally asked for. Exactly, when it comes to gamers opinion, you're very correct that it may change any time which might not be good when a gaming decision is based on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m76 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 No, they don't have to bow to whims. But they also shouldn't deliberately make things that they know their core fans will be against. It's kind of the point of game development to make games that people will actually want to play. I'm not saying cater to the lowest common denominator, but don't hang your established audience out to dry for the twitter mob. Case in point: The Saints Row reveal from a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagger Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, m76 said: No, they don't have to bow to whims. But they also shouldn't deliberately make things that they know their core fans will be against. It's kind of the point of game development to make games that people will actually want to play. I'm not saying cater to the lowest common denominator, but don't hang your established audience out to dry for the twitter mob. Case in point: The Saints Row reveal from a few days ago. That's a rich statement coming from someone who considers game developers making female characters too ugly to meet your standards some sort of social/political statement. From your review of Terminator: Resistance you posted on the forum earlier today. Edited August 27, 2021 by Shagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m76 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) Just because you refuse the acknowledge the trend doesn't mean it's not happening. We can add it to all the other things you also refuse to acknowledge. Like the previous line in my post: "But they also shouldn't deliberately make things that they know their core fans will be against." Into which category making unattractive characters falls. Edited August 27, 2021 by m76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killamch89 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Heatman said: Exactly, when it comes to gamers opinion, you're very correct that it may change any time which might not be good when a gaming decision is based on it. I've seen it happen a number of times over the years to know it's a bad idea to just bow to their whims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazycrab Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 For in game mechanics and balancing players can provide very valuable feedback, but creative choices should be up to the creators. I don't like it developers have their creative choices stifled by outside influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatman Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 55 minutes ago, killamch89 said: I've seen it happen a number of times over the years to know it's a bad idea to just bow to their whims. The truth is that we gamers want just about everything and anything to be done for us and should we be listened to 24/7 and followed based on our requests, it's going to a hell of work for these companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blackangel Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 If they're making sequels to a series, then yes, they should but only to a certain degree. And a small one at that. If they're making something new, then absolutely not. Make it, release it, and have fun doing it. Does anyone else remember how nervous the studios were when they debuted God Of War? Now it's one of the most successful game series'. If you're making off the wall games withing a franchise (Mario Galaxy for example) then it's a toss up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatman Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 hours ago, The Blackangel said: If they're making sequels to a series, then yes, they should but only to a certain degree. And a small one at that. If they're making something new, then absolutely not. Make it, release it, and have fun doing it. Does anyone else remember how nervous the studios were when they debuted God Of War? Now it's one of the most successful game series'. If you're making off the wall games withing a franchise (Mario Galaxy for example) then it's a toss up there. Seriously, God of War is a blast from day one. I watched one Remastered play on YouTube the other day and it was so thrilling. Let me see if I can get the video link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blackangel Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Heatman said: Seriously, God of War is a blast from day one. I watched one Remastered play on YouTube the other day and it was so thrilling. Let me see if I can get the video link. Just look at your history. It will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
